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Ordained Minister Rev. Abby Conley and amateur theologian Jim Barton discuss the importance of the Bible to non-literalists

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Sermon - Rev. Abigail Conley - Epiphany

Delivered at Chalice Christian Church, 15303 South Gilbert Road, Gilbert, Arizona, on January 5, 2020.

20 MIN2 w ago
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Sermon - Rev. Abigail Conley - Epiphany

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 7

Primary Sources: Gen. 6:1-8; Gen. 19; Gen. 32:22-32. 1 Corinthians 11:10; Jude 7, 14-16; 2 Peter 2:4; Luke 1:26-38, 46-56. Secondary Sources:Unprotected Texts, by Jennifer Wright Knust, chapter 5,A Lily Among the Thorns, Miguel de la Torre, pp. 27-28 (woman as temptress), 151 (rampant heterosexuality) Outline I. Is this a serious topic? A. It was to the Hebrews 1. Explore Gen. 6: 1-8. Note that Wright Knust cites to 1 Enoch & the Book of the Watchers (but I feel less confident with these texts) 2. Discuss the divine moving with humans -- Gen 2; wrestling an "angel" 3. Sodom story of Angle rape - note role reversal from Nephilim on who wants to have cross-speciessex B. Was still a concern for Early Christians 1. 1 Corinthians 11:10 - women covering up "on account of theangels" 2. Jude 7 talking aboutsexualimmorality of Sodom, but what was the immorality? See citation to Enoch again in 14-16. (If the sin was rape, why not cite to Tamar, or Dinah, or Bathsheba, or the Levite's concubine? 3. 2 Peter 2:4 talks about punishing theangels, but for what? II. Did God havesexwith Mary? A. God definitely impregnated Mary B. Helenistic authors would not be unfamiliar with deities knocking boots with human women C. Certainly possible given God's interactions with humans in other contexts III. What the hell do we do with all of this? A. First, this demonstrates how dramatically different the world view of the Biblical author's was from ours. Related, Miguel de la Torre points out that one lesson from these stories is the idea of woman as temptress. They are so potently tempting that they even tempt angles. Which should be a point of discontinuity between us and the ancients, but sadly is often not. B. Second, these are often stories of rampant unchecked, male heterosexuality. That feels like a caution we can discuss in our world today. C. Third, these stories of sex--at least in the case of other miraculous reproductions--point to the value of sex in God's plan. D. Finally, this points to the cosmic power of sexuality. In the act ofsex--because of its connection to reproduction--it is the point where we as individual humans most intersect with human beings the species. That is our mortal manifestation of humanity as individual breaches the division with the potentially immortal manifestation of humanity, the species. And that's no joke.

19 MIN2019 DEC 22
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 7

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 6

Primary Sources: Jeremiah, scattered, but especially 3:1 and 31:31-37; Ezekiel 16, 23; Hosea Secondary Sources:Battered Love, Renita J. Weems;Carnal Knowledge of God, Rebecca M. M. Voelkel, Chapter 3. Outline * Trigger Warning I. What is the Metaphor? A. Jeremiah 3:1 -- notion of defilement of a wife, spoiled by another, etc. B. Chosen to elicit a "gut reaction" more than intellectual reasoning C. Plays off a system that is in place without explicitly endorsing that system II. How bad is it? A. Ezekiel 16 & 23 -- graphic, explicit, weird talk about Egyptian genitalia B. Hosea -- shockingly detailed & graphic, and bizarre story line C. Amazingly bad III. Is the metaphor wholly detached from the subject? A. Monogamy -- Monotheism connection B. Dominance - Submissive understanding of marriage & faith C. Maleness of religion as a source of organizing power IV. Colonization & Displacement of Female Power A. The use of rape and otherness as a tool of colonizing -- "savage" non-binary society, rape of slave women, etc. B. The quest among the prophets of YHWH to displace other forms of worship, including pantheons with strong female presence V. How much do we hate this? A. Thesexualviolence remains in our society today. B. The connection with supernatural theism C. These metaphors do not exactly support co-creation with God.

15 MIN2019 DEC 3
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 6

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 5

Context National Coming Out Day Republican Roll Back of Gay Rights Ground Rules Distinction between identity and behavior Gay v. Lesbian v. Bi -- Trans Which is the Bible interested in? – nod to the clobber scriptures Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female,for you are all one in Christ Jesus. David & Jonathan (Achilles and Patroclus) 25 “How the mighty have fallen in battle! Jonathan lies slain on your heights. 26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women. 27 “How the mighty have fallen! The weapons of war have perished!” Illiad Book XVIII Then said Achilles in his great grief, “I would die here and now, in that I could not save my comrade. He has fallen far from home, and in his hour of need my hand was not there to help him. What is there for me? Return to my own land I shall not, and I have brought no saving neither to Patroclus nor to my other comrades of whom so many have been slain by mighty Hector; I stay here by my ships a bootless burden upon the earth, I, who in fight have no peer among the Achæans, though in council there are better than I. Therefore, perish strife both from among gods and men, and anger, wherein even a righteous man will harden his heart—which rises up in the soul of a man like smoke, and the taste thereof is sweeter than drops of honey. The Clobber Verses Sodom & Gomorrah (Levites Concubine) Genesis 19:1-38 (Judges 19) Levitical Laws Leviticus 18:22; 20:13 Leviticus 18:22. “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” Pederasty in Corinth 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?Do not be deceived:Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterersnor men who have sex with men[a]10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlerswill inherit the kingdom of God.11And that is what some of you were.But you were washed,you were sanctified,you were justifiedin the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9The wordsmen who have sex with mentranslate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts. Pederasty in Ephesus 1 Timothy 1:9-10 9We also know that the law is made not for the righteousbut for lawbreakers and rebels,the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine Strange Flesh Jude 6-7 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrahand the surrounding townsgave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Cult Prostitution Romans 1:25-27 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie,and worshiped and served created thingsrather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them overto shameful lusts.Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Further References Miguel de la Torre -- Lily Among the Thorns Linn Marie Tonstad – Queer Theology

33 MIN2019 OCT 13
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 5

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 4

Trigger warning: This episode is about rape. The Biblical stories about rape are graphic and emotional and certainly have the potential of triggering strong psycho-emotional reactions. Sex in the Bible: Rape Note that rape is not a violation of the Ten Commandments. Adultery and coveting are not rape. Deuteronomy 22:23-29 (The Kavanaugh Passage) 23If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. 25But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.26Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor,27for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed,there was no one to rescue her. 28If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a]of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Num. 31 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.14Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.16“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s adviceand enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to theLordin the Peor incident,so that a plaguestruck theLord’s people.17Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. See also Deut. 20: 14As for the women, the children, the livestockand everything else in the city,you may take these as plunderfor yourselves. And you may use the plunder theLordyour God gives you from your enemies. Three rapes, and one attempted rape, that are tied, in the text, to sexual desire and passion. Gen. 34 (Dinah) Now Dinah,the daughter Leah had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the women of the land.2When Shechemson of Hamorthe Hivite,the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and raped her.3His heart was drawn to Dinahdaughter of Jacob;he lovedthe young woman and spoke tenderlyto her.4And Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Get me this girl as my wife.” 5When Jacob heard that his daughter Dinah had been defiled,his sons were in the fields with his livestock; so he did nothing about it until they came home. After the plot to kill all of Shechem’s clan is successful, Jacob objects to the trouble Dinah’s brothers have caused with their rash action. But they replied, “Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?” Epilogue, Simeon and Levi are cursed by Jacob at his death for their violence and having killed people in anger. Hashtag interesting. Gen 39 (false accusation) Now Joseph was well-built and handsome,7and after a while his master’s wife took notice of Joseph and said, “Come to bed with me!” 8But he refused.“With me in charge,” he told her, “my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care.9No one is greater in this house than I am.My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”10And though she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refusedto go to bed with her or even be with her. 11One day he went into the house to attend to his duties,and none of the household servantswas inside.12She caught him by his cloakand said, “Come to bed with me!”But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house. 13When she saw that he had left h

28 MIN2019 SEP 1
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 4

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 3

Sex & Power Introduction: Today’s topic is sex and power. At the outset, we note that all of the narrative scriptures on the table for discussion today revolve around women using their sexuality to achieve some purpose unrelated to sexual pleasure or reproduction. The male equivalents are discussed in other episodes. Competing stories of seductress advocating for her God A king marries a woman who is worships a foreign god. 1 Kings 16:31; Esther 2:17 The worshiper of a foreign god is described as painting her eyes and or receiving beauty treatments making her more attractive to the man in power. 2 Kings 9; Esther 2 Her people are opposed by an adherent to the local god. (Elijah/Elisha; Haman) There is a plot to destroy her people. She uses her influence to reveal the plot and lead to a showdown. The YHWH adherent is loved as a hero in the Bible, the Baal adherent is thrown out of a window and eaten by dogs. 2 Kings 9. Seductress in the field of Battle Delilah tries frequently to kill Samson. Judges 16. Jael lures Sisera into her tent and puts him to sleep with warm drink. Judges 4 Curiously enough the exercise of power in these circumstances is exactly like the use of violence. It’s good if it is for the good; it’s bad if it’s for the bad. Prostitution Judah, the Israelite spies, and Samson all visit prostitutes. (Gen. 38:15-16; Joshua 2:1; Judges 16:1-3) Notably, two of the prostitutes named here, Rahab and Tamar are found in the genealogy of Jesus Christ. Matthew 1:3,5. Jesus had no problem associating with prostitutes. (Luke 7:36-50) Although, he noted that she had sinned that was in need of forgiveness. Priests could not marry prostitutes, nor could their daughters become prostitutes. (Leviticus 21:7-9) The man who is lured by an “adulterous woman” is a fool. (Proverbs 7, 29:3) Paul treats prostitution like adultery, e.g., 1 Corinthians 9, 15-17, as does the author of Hebrews 13:4. Matthew 21:31, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, the tax collectorsand the prostitutesare entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.’” Kind of a back handed compliment though. “Prostitution is immoral not because it involves sex, but because it relies on exploiting the vulnerability of women or men who exchange their worth and dignity for a few dollars.” - A Lily Among the Thorns, 172.

30 MIN2019 AUG 4
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 3

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 2

Following our second brunch with friends at Mellow Mushroom in Mesa, Rev. Abby & Jim discuss sex in the Bible within marriage. They explicit teachings found in Titus; 1 Corinthians 7; and Exodus 21. They also review some comments on marriage and sex (or the lack thereof) found in Genesis and Proverbs. Finally, they reference works by Miguel de la Torre (Lilly Among the Thorns) and Jennifer Wright Knust Unprotected Texts).

21 MIN2019 JUN 23
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 2

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 1

Following a brunch with friends in Mesa, Rev. Abby & Jim discuss sex in the Bible outside of the context of marriage. They discuss Genesis chapters 1 and 2; Deuteronomy 22; Ruth; Song of Songs; and Matthew 19. We also reference works by Miguel de la Torre (Lilly Among the Thorns) andRebecca Voelkel (Carnal Knowledge of God).

21 MIN2019 MAY 26
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 1

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-18 Secular Kings)

For our final episode of 2018, we consider that God's people have not always lived under the rule of God's rulers. The Bible provides many ways to live under such circumstances.

20 MIN2018 DEC 30
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-18 Secular Kings)

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-17 Path to Salvation)

Jim Barton & Rev. Abigail Conley discuss various notions of salvation found in scripture.

11 MIN2018 DEC 30
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-17 Path to Salvation)

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Sermon - Rev. Abigail Conley - Epiphany

Delivered at Chalice Christian Church, 15303 South Gilbert Road, Gilbert, Arizona, on January 5, 2020.

20 MIN2 w ago
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Sermon - Rev. Abigail Conley - Epiphany

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 7

Primary Sources: Gen. 6:1-8; Gen. 19; Gen. 32:22-32. 1 Corinthians 11:10; Jude 7, 14-16; 2 Peter 2:4; Luke 1:26-38, 46-56. Secondary Sources:Unprotected Texts, by Jennifer Wright Knust, chapter 5,A Lily Among the Thorns, Miguel de la Torre, pp. 27-28 (woman as temptress), 151 (rampant heterosexuality) Outline I. Is this a serious topic? A. It was to the Hebrews 1. Explore Gen. 6: 1-8. Note that Wright Knust cites to 1 Enoch & the Book of the Watchers (but I feel less confident with these texts) 2. Discuss the divine moving with humans -- Gen 2; wrestling an "angel" 3. Sodom story of Angle rape - note role reversal from Nephilim on who wants to have cross-speciessex B. Was still a concern for Early Christians 1. 1 Corinthians 11:10 - women covering up "on account of theangels" 2. Jude 7 talking aboutsexualimmorality of Sodom, but what was the immorality? See citation to Enoch again in 14-16. (If the sin was rape, why not cite to Tamar, or Dinah, or Bathsheba, or the Levite's concubine? 3. 2 Peter 2:4 talks about punishing theangels, but for what? II. Did God havesexwith Mary? A. God definitely impregnated Mary B. Helenistic authors would not be unfamiliar with deities knocking boots with human women C. Certainly possible given God's interactions with humans in other contexts III. What the hell do we do with all of this? A. First, this demonstrates how dramatically different the world view of the Biblical author's was from ours. Related, Miguel de la Torre points out that one lesson from these stories is the idea of woman as temptress. They are so potently tempting that they even tempt angles. Which should be a point of discontinuity between us and the ancients, but sadly is often not. B. Second, these are often stories of rampant unchecked, male heterosexuality. That feels like a caution we can discuss in our world today. C. Third, these stories of sex--at least in the case of other miraculous reproductions--point to the value of sex in God's plan. D. Finally, this points to the cosmic power of sexuality. In the act ofsex--because of its connection to reproduction--it is the point where we as individual humans most intersect with human beings the species. That is our mortal manifestation of humanity as individual breaches the division with the potentially immortal manifestation of humanity, the species. And that's no joke.

19 MIN2019 DEC 22
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 7

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 6

Primary Sources: Jeremiah, scattered, but especially 3:1 and 31:31-37; Ezekiel 16, 23; Hosea Secondary Sources:Battered Love, Renita J. Weems;Carnal Knowledge of God, Rebecca M. M. Voelkel, Chapter 3. Outline * Trigger Warning I. What is the Metaphor? A. Jeremiah 3:1 -- notion of defilement of a wife, spoiled by another, etc. B. Chosen to elicit a "gut reaction" more than intellectual reasoning C. Plays off a system that is in place without explicitly endorsing that system II. How bad is it? A. Ezekiel 16 & 23 -- graphic, explicit, weird talk about Egyptian genitalia B. Hosea -- shockingly detailed & graphic, and bizarre story line C. Amazingly bad III. Is the metaphor wholly detached from the subject? A. Monogamy -- Monotheism connection B. Dominance - Submissive understanding of marriage & faith C. Maleness of religion as a source of organizing power IV. Colonization & Displacement of Female Power A. The use of rape and otherness as a tool of colonizing -- "savage" non-binary society, rape of slave women, etc. B. The quest among the prophets of YHWH to displace other forms of worship, including pantheons with strong female presence V. How much do we hate this? A. Thesexualviolence remains in our society today. B. The connection with supernatural theism C. These metaphors do not exactly support co-creation with God.

15 MIN2019 DEC 3
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 6

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 5

Context National Coming Out Day Republican Roll Back of Gay Rights Ground Rules Distinction between identity and behavior Gay v. Lesbian v. Bi -- Trans Which is the Bible interested in? – nod to the clobber scriptures Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,nor is there male and female,for you are all one in Christ Jesus. David & Jonathan (Achilles and Patroclus) 25 “How the mighty have fallen in battle! Jonathan lies slain on your heights. 26 I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women. 27 “How the mighty have fallen! The weapons of war have perished!” Illiad Book XVIII Then said Achilles in his great grief, “I would die here and now, in that I could not save my comrade. He has fallen far from home, and in his hour of need my hand was not there to help him. What is there for me? Return to my own land I shall not, and I have brought no saving neither to Patroclus nor to my other comrades of whom so many have been slain by mighty Hector; I stay here by my ships a bootless burden upon the earth, I, who in fight have no peer among the Achæans, though in council there are better than I. Therefore, perish strife both from among gods and men, and anger, wherein even a righteous man will harden his heart—which rises up in the soul of a man like smoke, and the taste thereof is sweeter than drops of honey. The Clobber Verses Sodom & Gomorrah (Levites Concubine) Genesis 19:1-38 (Judges 19) Levitical Laws Leviticus 18:22; 20:13 Leviticus 18:22. “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” Pederasty in Corinth 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 9Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God?Do not be deceived:Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterersnor men who have sex with men[a]10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlerswill inherit the kingdom of God.11And that is what some of you were.But you were washed,you were sanctified,you were justifiedin the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9The wordsmen who have sex with mentranslate two Greek words that refer to the passive and active participants in homosexual acts. Pederasty in Ephesus 1 Timothy 1:9-10 9We also know that the law is made not for the righteousbut for lawbreakers and rebels,the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers,10for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine Strange Flesh Jude 6-7 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrahand the surrounding townsgave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. Cult Prostitution Romans 1:25-27 25They exchanged the truth about God for a lie,and worshiped and served created thingsrather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them overto shameful lusts.Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Further References Miguel de la Torre -- Lily Among the Thorns Linn Marie Tonstad – Queer Theology

33 MIN2019 OCT 13
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 5

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 4

Trigger warning: This episode is about rape. The Biblical stories about rape are graphic and emotional and certainly have the potential of triggering strong psycho-emotional reactions. Sex in the Bible: Rape Note that rape is not a violation of the Ten Commandments. Adultery and coveting are not rape. Deuteronomy 22:23-29 (The Kavanaugh Passage) 23If a man happens to meet in a town a virgin pledged to be married and he sleeps with her,24you shall take both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death—the young woman because she was in a town and did not scream for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife. You must purge the evil from among you. 25But if out in the country a man happens to meet a young woman pledged to be married and rapes her, only the man who has done this shall die.26Do nothing to the woman; she has committed no sin deserving death. This case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor,27for the man found the young woman out in the country, and though the betrothed woman screamed,there was no one to rescue her. 28If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered,29he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a]of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Num. 31 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp.14Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15“Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them.16“They were the ones who followed Balaam’s adviceand enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to theLordin the Peor incident,so that a plaguestruck theLord’s people.17Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man,18but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. See also Deut. 20: 14As for the women, the children, the livestockand everything else in the city,you may take these as plunderfor yourselves. And you may use the plunder theLordyour God gives you from your enemies. Three rapes, and one attempted rape, that are tied, in the text, to sexual desire and passion. Gen. 34 (Dinah) Now Dinah,the daughter Leah had borne to Jacob, went out to visit the women of the land.2When Shechemson of Hamorthe Hivite,the ruler of that area, saw her, he took her and raped her.3His heart was drawn to Dinahdaughter of Jacob;he lovedthe young woman and spoke tenderlyto her.4And Shechem said to his father Hamor, “Get me this girl as my wife.” 5When Jacob heard that his daughter Dinah had been defiled,his sons were in the fields with his livestock; so he did nothing about it until they came home. After the plot to kill all of Shechem’s clan is successful, Jacob objects to the trouble Dinah’s brothers have caused with their rash action. But they replied, “Should he have treated our sister like a prostitute?” Epilogue, Simeon and Levi are cursed by Jacob at his death for their violence and having killed people in anger. Hashtag interesting. Gen 39 (false accusation) Now Joseph was well-built and handsome,7and after a while his master’s wife took notice of Joseph and said, “Come to bed with me!” 8But he refused.“With me in charge,” he told her, “my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care.9No one is greater in this house than I am.My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?”10And though she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refusedto go to bed with her or even be with her. 11One day he went into the house to attend to his duties,and none of the household servantswas inside.12She caught him by his cloakand said, “Come to bed with me!”But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house. 13When she saw that he had left h

28 MIN2019 SEP 1
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 4

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 3

Sex & Power Introduction: Today’s topic is sex and power. At the outset, we note that all of the narrative scriptures on the table for discussion today revolve around women using their sexuality to achieve some purpose unrelated to sexual pleasure or reproduction. The male equivalents are discussed in other episodes. Competing stories of seductress advocating for her God A king marries a woman who is worships a foreign god. 1 Kings 16:31; Esther 2:17 The worshiper of a foreign god is described as painting her eyes and or receiving beauty treatments making her more attractive to the man in power. 2 Kings 9; Esther 2 Her people are opposed by an adherent to the local god. (Elijah/Elisha; Haman) There is a plot to destroy her people. She uses her influence to reveal the plot and lead to a showdown. The YHWH adherent is loved as a hero in the Bible, the Baal adherent is thrown out of a window and eaten by dogs. 2 Kings 9. Seductress in the field of Battle Delilah tries frequently to kill Samson. Judges 16. Jael lures Sisera into her tent and puts him to sleep with warm drink. Judges 4 Curiously enough the exercise of power in these circumstances is exactly like the use of violence. It’s good if it is for the good; it’s bad if it’s for the bad. Prostitution Judah, the Israelite spies, and Samson all visit prostitutes. (Gen. 38:15-16; Joshua 2:1; Judges 16:1-3) Notably, two of the prostitutes named here, Rahab and Tamar are found in the genealogy of Jesus Christ. Matthew 1:3,5. Jesus had no problem associating with prostitutes. (Luke 7:36-50) Although, he noted that she had sinned that was in need of forgiveness. Priests could not marry prostitutes, nor could their daughters become prostitutes. (Leviticus 21:7-9) The man who is lured by an “adulterous woman” is a fool. (Proverbs 7, 29:3) Paul treats prostitution like adultery, e.g., 1 Corinthians 9, 15-17, as does the author of Hebrews 13:4. Matthew 21:31, “Jesus said to them, ‘Truly I tell you, the tax collectorsand the prostitutesare entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.’” Kind of a back handed compliment though. “Prostitution is immoral not because it involves sex, but because it relies on exploiting the vulnerability of women or men who exchange their worth and dignity for a few dollars.” - A Lily Among the Thorns, 172.

30 MIN2019 AUG 4
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 3

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 2

Following our second brunch with friends at Mellow Mushroom in Mesa, Rev. Abby & Jim discuss sex in the Bible within marriage. They explicit teachings found in Titus; 1 Corinthians 7; and Exodus 21. They also review some comments on marriage and sex (or the lack thereof) found in Genesis and Proverbs. Finally, they reference works by Miguel de la Torre (Lilly Among the Thorns) and Jennifer Wright Knust Unprotected Texts).

21 MIN2019 JUN 23
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 2

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 1

Following a brunch with friends in Mesa, Rev. Abby & Jim discuss sex in the Bible outside of the context of marriage. They discuss Genesis chapters 1 and 2; Deuteronomy 22; Ruth; Song of Songs; and Matthew 19. We also reference works by Miguel de la Torre (Lilly Among the Thorns) andRebecca Voelkel (Carnal Knowledge of God).

21 MIN2019 MAY 26
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch: Sex and the Bible Ep. 1

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-18 Secular Kings)

For our final episode of 2018, we consider that God's people have not always lived under the rule of God's rulers. The Bible provides many ways to live under such circumstances.

20 MIN2018 DEC 30
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-18 Secular Kings)

Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-17 Path to Salvation)

Jim Barton & Rev. Abigail Conley discuss various notions of salvation found in scripture.

11 MIN2018 DEC 30
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Bloody Mary Bible Brunch (Ep. 18-17 Path to Salvation)
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