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Dialogika is a dialogue between two friends about the latest in politics, society, and feminism in Indonesia and the world. Co-hosted by creative consultant/designer Swedian Lie and entrepreneur Stephanie Tangkilisan, this podcast is our attempt at making sense of this crazy world we live in. Armed with the flimsy but earnest logic of mid-twenties millennials, we take a fresh & spirited look at current events and trending moments, and discuss its broader implications socially, politically, and theoretically.

Latest Episodes

Episode 80: The Legal Road Ahead — A Conversation with Pramudya Oktavinanda (Pt. 1)

In this first of our two-part episode, an old friend of the podcast (and our resident legal expert) Pramudya Oktavinanda is back to discuss some of the legal challenges Jokowi and his 2nd term administration will face over the next 5 years. Given the unrest last month over the old Parliament’s decision to pursue what some have called draconian legislation — RKUHP and UU KPK, among other things — we thought it is important to discuss, from an in-depth legal perspective, some of the issues behind these legislative maneuvers that would otherwise not be covered by mainstream media. We dig real deep into these topics in our conversation with Pram, so much so that we have to have two episodes for all the content! Tune into our next episode in two weeks’ time to catch the second part.

21 MIN20 h ago
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Episode 80: The Legal Road Ahead — A Conversation with Pramudya Oktavinanda (Pt. 1)

Episode 79: Building Climate Resilience in Indonesia — A Conversation with Barry Beagen

In this episode, we talk to Barry Beagen, an architect and urban planner who is the Program Director at Kota Kita, an urban planning NGO based in Indonesia that works in governance, inclusivity, and climate change resilience. We discuss the complex and difficult (but necessary) topic of climate change mitigation and the real work that goes behind making resilient cities, particularly in heavily impacted parts of the world like Indonesia. We break down specific risks that Indonesia face, and go in-depth into Indonesia-specific situations and scenarios surrounding climate change mitigation. We really get stuck in the weeds in this episode with Barry, but we think highlighting his and Kota Kita's work is really crucial in raising awareness about what kind of progress is being made in Indonesia on fighting climate change.

25 MINOCT 17
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Episode 79: Building Climate Resilience in Indonesia — A Conversation with Barry Beagen

Episode 78: The Word on the Streets: Discussing the Recent Protests in Indonesia

In this episode, Stephanie chats with Anindya "Vivi" Restuviani, a leading feminist and social activist in Indonesia and co-director of Hollaback! Jakarta, an organization dedicated to fighting street harassment in Indonesia. Vivi was part of the recent protests that erupted over the last week in Jakarta, as thousands of students and protestors gathered to protest Parliament's decision to pursue the legislation of draconian bills such as RKUHP (Revision of the Penal Code), UU KPK (a bill that will weaken the independent Corruption Eradication Commission), and others. We talk about some of the details of these bills — including the infamous "premarital sex ban" that is part of the RKUHP — and the fears students and protestors have if these bills were passed into law. As the fight to preserve Indonesia's democracy continues, both on the streets and in government buildings, we hope this conversation can be the first of many between all of us in civic society to discuss the future of our nation.

21 MINOCT 3
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Episode 78: The Word on the Streets: Discussing the Recent Protests in Indonesia

Episode 77: The President We Didn't Deserve: In Memoriam B.J. Habibie

In this episode, we commemorate the life and legacy of our former President, B.J. Habibie, who passed away on September 11, 2019, at the age of 83 years old. Considered by many as the father of Indonesian innovation and engineering, Habibie was thrust into the limelight in 1998 when he became president following the May 1998 riots and the fall of Suharto. Even though he was trained as an engineer, Habibie showed incredible leadership and political acumen to guide the country through an incredibly tense and tumultuous time, and without him we would not have the democracy we have today. We want to take this time to really remember his life, his work, and the values and principles he believed in — values and principles surrounding democracy and diversity that we, as the future generation, need to keep working for and fighting for.

29 MINSEP 19
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Episode 77: The President We Didn't Deserve: In Memoriam B.J. Habibie

Episode 76: Let's Talk About Mental Health (Repeat)

Swedian is in the midst of his move back to Indonesia, so we're going to repeat an episode on a topic that's always worth having conversations on — and that's mental health! ------- In this episode, we're discussing the topic of mental health! This issue has been in the news lately because Sandi, Prabowo's running mate in the upcoming presidential elections, have said that if elected, the Prabowo-Sandi administration will dedicate greater efforts into addressing mental health in Indonesia — an issue that is seldom talked about and incredibly stigmatized in the country. We talk a lot about self-care, how to be a good friend in supporting those with mental illness and mental health issues, and discuss how to destigmatize the topic in Indonesian society and conversation. Stephanie shares a little bit about her history with mental health, and we hope this dialogue will encourage our listeners to open up about their own stories and reach out to others who may be suffering from similar situations. Neither of us are mental health professionals in any way, shape, or form, but we hope our discussion will be helpful in getting people to talk more openly and emphatically about mental health.

24 MINSEP 5
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Episode 76: Let's Talk About Mental Health (Repeat)

Episode 75: Unpacking the Recent West Papua Protests

In this episode, we discuss the recent protests that broke out in Manokwari and Jayapura over the recent arrest and detention of 43 West Papuan students in Surabaya over allegations of destroying and damaging the Indonesian flag. We want to unpack the historic tensions and conflicts that has led to this point. We begin with the historic tussle in the 1950’s and 60’s over West Papua between the Dutch and the new Republic of Indonesia that eventually led to a peace agreement called the New York Agreement in 1962. This agreement gave Indonesia West Papua, but also demanded a vote to be held that will ask the West Papuans to decide if they wanted to be a part of the new Republic. This referendum, known as the infamous “Act of Free Choice,” was held on August 2, 1969, and over 1,000 men and women selected by the Indonesian military unanimously voted to join Indonesia. Many politicians, journalists, and historians acknowledged that the referendum was unfairly executed and held under immense pressure from the Indonesian military, with threats of violence and repercussion forcing those chosen to vote in favor of Indonesia. To this day, various independence movements and NGOs have advocated for a new referendum that will allow West Papuans a truly fair and just vote, much to the displeasure of the Indonesian government. All of this contributes to the tension that underpin West Papua’s complicated relationship with Indonesia. While this story continues to break and develop, we want to urge our listeners and fellow Indonesians to address our own prejudices against West Papuans, especially since the initial incident was sparked by a hoax story circulated in social media. We have a lot of work to do to reconcile the historically unjust and unfair treatment of West Papuans in order to even begin considering a future solution, and it is our responsibility as Indonesians to ensure that the promises of our nation truly includes everyone from Sabang to Merauke.

29 MINAUG 22
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Episode 75: Unpacking the Recent West Papua Protests

Episode 74: The People's Prime Minister — A Profile of Sutan Sjahrir

In this episode, we talk about one of the lesser-known founding fathers of Indonesia, our first ever Prime Minister, Sutan Sjahrir! Dubbed the ‘Smiling Diplomat,’ Sjahrir is one of our nation’s greatest intellectuals and patriots, and was a key figure in the independence movement — from his time with Mohammad Hatta in the Netherlands organizing the Indonesian youth there, to negotiating the beginning of the new Indonesian Republic with the Dutch when he was the Prime Minister, and even to the last of his days when he was unfairly imprisoned without trial under alleged conspiracy charges for disagreeing with Sukarno’s regime. Sjahrir’s life story is a truly inspiring one, and as one of the foundational individuals behind Indonesia’s parliamentary democracy, we wanted to dedicate this episode to him and his ideas — especially in light of the increasing threats from all sides to our fragile democracy.

30 MINAUG 8
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Episode 74: The People's Prime Minister — A Profile of Sutan Sjahrir

Episode 73: In Pursuit of Pride & Progress — An Interview with Rocky Intan (Repeat)

We don't have a new episode for you this week, so we are repeating one of our most popular episodes last year — our conversation with Rocky Intan on LGBTQ identity, Pride, and true progress. ------- In this episode, Stephanie is still out, so Swedian talks to a longtime friend and supporter of Dialogika, Rocky Intan, who is currently getting his Masters in Public Policy at Columbia University. This conversation was originally planned for June, as it was Pride Month, and we talk about Rocky’s experience as an out gay man living in America right now, comparing it to the experience back home in Indonesia. We talk about the power & importance of Pride, not just as a celebration of one’s identity but also as a way to make visible the marginalized LGBTQ community. Rocky shares the nuances of his coming out experience, including the financial, social, and relational implications. From there we talk about how we cannot take for granted that liberals and progressives are necessarily as open-minded about the LGBTQ community as we think they are, and that if we are true progressives we need to fight for a society that is equal, open, and just for all — not just for the heteronormative.

32 MINJUL 25
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Episode 73: In Pursuit of Pride & Progress — An Interview with Rocky Intan (Repeat)

Episode 72: The Bleeding Bauhinia — A Conversation with Wilson Leung

In this episode, we chat with Wilson Leung, who is a founding member of the Progressive Lawyers’ Group (HKPLG) — a group of Hong Kong lawyers dedicated to promoting rule of law, democracy, human rights, freedom and justice — about the recent extradition bill protests in Hong Kong. Wilson breaks down the situation on the ground over the last few weeks and the build-up of tension between HK residents and the government ever since the 2014 Umbrella Movement. We discuss how the youth of HK are growing increasingly dissatisfied with the HK government and are fearing their freedom and future in light of 2047 (which is when the current ‘one country, two systems’ structure expires and HK integrates fully back to China) happening within their lifetime. Finally, we talk about how the international community can help support the fight for democracy in HK by keeping abreast of the protest news and participate in any actions around the world that support the Hong Kong people.

31 MINJUN 27
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Episode 72: The Bleeding Bauhinia — A Conversation with Wilson Leung

Episode 71: All the President's Parties, or Why The Parliament Matters

In this episode, we dive deep into the 2019 legislative/parliamentary election results and break down what the numbers mean. We give a quick rundown of the political parties that made it to the Parliament (the usual suspects) and explain a little about the process in which they had to make it there (spoiler alert: it involves the parliamentary threshold, and there's a lot of math). Both Jokowi's and Prabowo's main parties — PDI-P and Gerindra respectively — made it as the top two parties in the results, and we delve a little bit into what that means for Indonesian democracy and its uniquely collaborative and coalition-driven nature. We also speculate about the rumors of both Agus Harimurti Yudhoyono (better known as AHY) and Sandiaga Uno, Prabowo's running mate, potentially being interested in working in Jokowi's government, and the possibilities of a potential cabinet reshuffle following the Idul Fitri holiday. Our condolences to President Yudhoyono's family over the death of our former First Lady, Ibu Ani Yudhoyono.

27 MINJUN 13
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Episode 71: All the President's Parties, or Why The Parliament Matters

Latest Episodes

Episode 80: The Legal Road Ahead — A Conversation with Pramudya Oktavinanda (Pt. 1)

In this first of our two-part episode, an old friend of the podcast (and our resident legal expert) Pramudya Oktavinanda is back to discuss some of the legal challenges Jokowi and his 2nd term administration will face over the next 5 years. Given the unrest last month over the old Parliament’s decision to pursue what some have called draconian legislation — RKUHP and UU KPK, among other things — we thought it is important to discuss, from an in-depth legal perspective, some of the issues behind these legislative maneuvers that would otherwise not be covered by mainstream media. We dig real deep into these topics in our conversation with Pram, so much so that we have to have two episodes for all the content! Tune into our next episode in two weeks’ time to catch the second part.

21 MIN20 h ago
Comments
Episode 80: The Legal Road Ahead — A Conversation with Pramudya Oktavinanda (Pt. 1)

Episode 79: Building Climate Resilience in Indonesia — A Conversation with Barry Beagen

In this episode, we talk to Barry Beagen, an architect and urban planner who is the Program Director at Kota Kita, an urban planning NGO based in Indonesia that works in governance, inclusivity, and climate change resilience. We discuss the complex and difficult (but necessary) topic of climate change mitigation and the real work that goes behind making resilient cities, particularly in heavily impacted parts of the world like Indonesia. We break down specific risks that Indonesia face, and go in-depth into Indonesia-specific situations and scenarios surrounding climate change mitigation. We really get stuck in the weeds in this episode with Barry, but we think highlighting his and Kota Kita's work is really crucial in raising awareness about what kind of progress is being made in Indonesia on fighting climate change.

25 MINOCT 17
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Episode 79: Building Climate Resilience in Indonesia — A Conversation with Barry Beagen

Episode 78: The Word on the Streets: Discussing the Recent Protests in Indonesia

In this episode, Stephanie chats with Anindya "Vivi" Restuviani, a leading feminist and social activist in Indonesia and co-director of Hollaback! Jakarta, an organization dedicated to fighting street harassment in Indonesia. Vivi was part of the recent protests that erupted over the last week in Jakarta, as thousands of students and protestors gathered to protest Parliament's decision to pursue the legislation of draconian bills such as RKUHP (Revision of the Penal Code), UU KPK (a bill that will weaken the independent Corruption Eradication Commission), and others. We talk about some of the details of these bills — including the infamous "premarital sex ban" that is part of the RKUHP — and the fears students and protestors have if these bills were passed into law. As the fight to preserve Indonesia's democracy continues, both on the streets and in government buildings, we hope this conversation can be the first of many between all of us in civic society to discuss the future of our nation.

21 MINOCT 3
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Episode 78: The Word on the Streets: Discussing the Recent Protests in Indonesia

Episode 77: The President We Didn't Deserve: In Memoriam B.J. Habibie

In this episode, we commemorate the life and legacy of our former President, B.J. Habibie, who passed away on September 11, 2019, at the age of 83 years old. Considered by many as the father of Indonesian innovation and engineering, Habibie was thrust into the limelight in 1998 when he became president following the May 1998 riots and the fall of Suharto. Even though he was trained as an engineer, Habibie showed incredible leadership and political acumen to guide the country through an incredibly tense and tumultuous time, and without him we would not have the democracy we have today. We want to take this time to really remember his life, his work, and the values and principles he believed in — values and principles surrounding democracy and diversity that we, as the future generation, need to keep working for and fighting for.

29 MINSEP 19
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Episode 77: The President We Didn't Deserve: In Memoriam B.J. Habibie

Episode 76: Let's Talk About Mental Health (Repeat)

Swedian is in the midst of his move back to Indonesia, so we're going to repeat an episode on a topic that's always worth having conversations on — and that's mental health! ------- In this episode, we're discussing the topic of mental health! This issue has been in the news lately because Sandi, Prabowo's running mate in the upcoming presidential elections, have said that if elected, the Prabowo-Sandi administration will dedicate greater efforts into addressing mental health in Indonesia — an issue that is seldom talked about and incredibly stigmatized in the country. We talk a lot about self-care, how to be a good friend in supporting those with mental illness and mental health issues, and discuss how to destigmatize the topic in Indonesian society and conversation. Stephanie shares a little bit about her history with mental health, and we hope this dialogue will encourage our listeners to open up about their own stories and reach out to others who may be suffering from similar situations. Neither of us are mental health professionals in any way, shape, or form, but we hope our discussion will be helpful in getting people to talk more openly and emphatically about mental health.

24 MINSEP 5
Comments
Episode 76: Let's Talk About Mental Health (Repeat)

Episode 75: Unpacking the Recent West Papua Protests

In this episode, we discuss the recent protests that broke out in Manokwari and Jayapura over the recent arrest and detention of 43 West Papuan students in Surabaya over allegations of destroying and damaging the Indonesian flag. We want to unpack the historic tensions and conflicts that has led to this point. We begin with the historic tussle in the 1950’s and 60’s over West Papua between the Dutch and the new Republic of Indonesia that eventually led to a peace agreement called the New York Agreement in 1962. This agreement gave Indonesia West Papua, but also demanded a vote to be held that will ask the West Papuans to decide if they wanted to be a part of the new Republic. This referendum, known as the infamous “Act of Free Choice,” was held on August 2, 1969, and over 1,000 men and women selected by the Indonesian military unanimously voted to join Indonesia. Many politicians, journalists, and historians acknowledged that the referendum was unfairly executed and held under immense pressure from the Indonesian military, with threats of violence and repercussion forcing those chosen to vote in favor of Indonesia. To this day, various independence movements and NGOs have advocated for a new referendum that will allow West Papuans a truly fair and just vote, much to the displeasure of the Indonesian government. All of this contributes to the tension that underpin West Papua’s complicated relationship with Indonesia. While this story continues to break and develop, we want to urge our listeners and fellow Indonesians to address our own prejudices against West Papuans, especially since the initial incident was sparked by a hoax story circulated in social media. We have a lot of work to do to reconcile the historically unjust and unfair treatment of West Papuans in order to even begin considering a future solution, and it is our responsibility as Indonesians to ensure that the promises of our nation truly includes everyone from Sabang to Merauke.

29 MINAUG 22
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Episode 75: Unpacking the Recent West Papua Protests

Episode 74: The People's Prime Minister — A Profile of Sutan Sjahrir

In this episode, we talk about one of the lesser-known founding fathers of Indonesia, our first ever Prime Minister, Sutan Sjahrir! Dubbed the ‘Smiling Diplomat,’ Sjahrir is one of our nation’s greatest intellectuals and patriots, and was a key figure in the independence movement — from his time with Mohammad Hatta in the Netherlands organizing the Indonesian youth there, to negotiating the beginning of the new Indonesian Republic with the Dutch when he was the Prime Minister, and even to the last of his days when he was unfairly imprisoned without trial under alleged conspiracy charges for disagreeing with Sukarno’s regime. Sjahrir’s life story is a truly inspiring one, and as one of the foundational individuals behind Indonesia’s parliamentary democracy, we wanted to dedicate this episode to him and his ideas — especially in light of the increasing threats from all sides to our fragile democracy.

30 MINAUG 8
Comments
Episode 74: The People's Prime Minister — A Profile of Sutan Sjahrir

Episode 73: In Pursuit of Pride & Progress — An Interview with Rocky Intan (Repeat)

We don't have a new episode for you this week, so we are repeating one of our most popular episodes last year — our conversation with Rocky Intan on LGBTQ identity, Pride, and true progress. ------- In this episode, Stephanie is still out, so Swedian talks to a longtime friend and supporter of Dialogika, Rocky Intan, who is currently getting his Masters in Public Policy at Columbia University. This conversation was originally planned for June, as it was Pride Month, and we talk about Rocky’s experience as an out gay man living in America right now, comparing it to the experience back home in Indonesia. We talk about the power & importance of Pride, not just as a celebration of one’s identity but also as a way to make visible the marginalized LGBTQ community. Rocky shares the nuances of his coming out experience, including the financial, social, and relational implications. From there we talk about how we cannot take for granted that liberals and progressives are necessarily as open-minded about the LGBTQ community as we think they are, and that if we are true progressives we need to fight for a society that is equal, open, and just for all — not just for the heteronormative.

32 MINJUL 25
Comments
Episode 73: In Pursuit of Pride & Progress — An Interview with Rocky Intan (Repeat)

Episode 72: The Bleeding Bauhinia — A Conversation with Wilson Leung

In this episode, we chat with Wilson Leung, who is a founding member of the Progressive Lawyers’ Group (HKPLG) — a group of Hong Kong lawyers dedicated to promoting rule of law, democracy, human rights, freedom and justice — about the recent extradition bill protests in Hong Kong. Wilson breaks down the situation on the ground over the last few weeks and the build-up of tension between HK residents and the government ever since the 2014 Umbrella Movement. We discuss how the youth of HK are growing increasingly dissatisfied with the HK government and are fearing their freedom and future in light of 2047 (which is when the current ‘one country, two systems’ structure expires and HK integrates fully back to China) happening within their lifetime. Finally, we talk about how the international community can help support the fight for democracy in HK by keeping abreast of the protest news and participate in any actions around the world that support the Hong Kong people.

31 MINJUN 27
Comments
Episode 72: The Bleeding Bauhinia — A Conversation with Wilson Leung

Episode 71: All the President's Parties, or Why The Parliament Matters

In this episode, we dive deep into the 2019 legislative/parliamentary election results and break down what the numbers mean. We give a quick rundown of the political parties that made it to the Parliament (the usual suspects) and explain a little about the process in which they had to make it there (spoiler alert: it involves the parliamentary threshold, and there's a lot of math). Both Jokowi's and Prabowo's main parties — PDI-P and Gerindra respectively — made it as the top two parties in the results, and we delve a little bit into what that means for Indonesian democracy and its uniquely collaborative and coalition-driven nature. We also speculate about the rumors of both Agus Harimurti Yudhoyono (better known as AHY) and Sandiaga Uno, Prabowo's running mate, potentially being interested in working in Jokowi's government, and the possibilities of a potential cabinet reshuffle following the Idul Fitri holiday. Our condolences to President Yudhoyono's family over the death of our former First Lady, Ibu Ani Yudhoyono.

27 MINJUN 13
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