The Rich Roll Podcast
life + performance + spirit
Jack Dorsey On Solitude, Self-Care & Shouldering The Health of Global Conversation
“There’s no path towards evolution and making something better unless we can talk about it.“ Jack Dorsey Imagine shouldering responsibility of one of the planet’s largest social networks. Now imagine that’s just one of your jobs, the second focused on reinventing the world’s relationship with money. This isJack Dorsey’slife. The co-founder and CEO of both Twitter and Square, today’s guest is one of the most influential figures of the modern age — a man who has made an indelible impact on our cultural landscape by quite literally shaping how society communicates in the emergent digital era. What started as a simple means to share personal status updates, Twitter has swelled into arguably the most important social media platform for breaking news, journalism, and political discourse. A powerful tool for speaking truth to power, it’s put wind in the sails of important social movements. Provided safe haven for whistle blowers. And given marginalized groups and dissidents a voice that can be heard across the globe. But Twittermust also account for the noxious devolution of civil discourse — a behemoth apparatus easily weaponized for motives nefarious. Twitter is nothing if not controversial. And Jack is the face of such controversy — a polarizing figure in the crosshairs of Twitter critics acrossall sides of the social and political spectrum. Recognizing the need to more thoroughly addressTwitter’s role and responsibility in the growing toxicity of public conversation, Jack has spent the last month publicly addressing the platform’s missteps, challenges and aspirations on a wide variety of media platforms and podcasts that include two appearances onThe Joe Rogan Experience,Sam Harris’ podcastMaking Sense,and many others. My sense is that critics were left unsatisfied with Jack’s answers to the many hard questions posed. I understand and appreciate the criticism. Just how exactly can Twitter successfully promote healthy conversation, eliminate toxicityandfairly police bad actors across 500 million daily tweets? I don’t know the answer. But I do know that I heard an intelligent, empathetic and well intentioned man in an almost impossible situation — someone owning his failures and transparently endeavoring with great equanimity to solve these herculean problems in both good faith and real time. In approaching this conversation, I made the choice not to retread territory explored at great length on Rogan. Instead, my interest is to better understand the human behind the curtain. What does it actually feel like to be at the helm of one of the largest and most powerful social media platforms in the world? What is a day in the life of Jack Dorsey like? What daily self-care practices does he employ to mitigate the stress of his gargantuan responsibilities? And just how did this young man blaze such an extraordinary entrepreneurial path? I first met Jack about two years ago during a visit to San Francisco. A fan of the podcast, heinvited me up to the Square offices. Although our encounter was brief, I liked him immediately. Soft spoken, kind and curious, I left our meeting wanting to better understand what makes him tick. Open to sharing his story on the podcast, I visited his San Francisco home on a foggy Saturday morning a few weeks ago. Unsurprisingly, his home is beautiful and well appointed. But it’s also strikingly modest given his stature. Minimal to the point of spartan, it’s devoid of material excess. No entourage. No private chef. No crazy car collection. Not even an assistant. Just Jack, barefoot, unpretentious and excited to show me his infrared sauna, his cold plunge,
The Paradox of Passion With Brad Stulberg & Steve Magness
“There is both good passion and bad passion. And what direction your passion takes is largely up to you.” Brad Stulberg & Steve Magness Follow your passion. For many it’s a mantra. For others, an over-hyped trope. I plead guilty to advocating this pursuit — a subject worthyof frequent exploration on the podcast. But is a life propelled by passionalways the best course of action? The answer, it turns out, is complicated. Passion can be a gift. But only if you know how to properly channel it. The same drivethat fuels breakthroughs — whether they’re athletic, scientific, entrepreneurial, or artistic — can be every bit as destructive as it is productive. Unchecked by balance (that other culturally touted virtue), passion can manifest as a curse, leading to endless seeking,suffering, and burnout. Simply put, passion is a paradox. To demystify this important subject, my friends Brad Stulberg and Steve Magnessreturn to the podcast (their 1st appearance was RRP 293 back in June 2017)...
Nadia Bolz-Weber Is Shameless — Reconciling Sex & God With Grace
“God, please help me not be an asshole, is about as common a prayer as I pray in my life.“ Nadia Bolz-Weber Today we continue my exploration of faith with one of the most fascinating spiritual leaders in America today — a Lutheran pastor and public theologian dedicated to redefining how we think about church, practice religion, ritualize divinity, and cultivate community. But her latest concentration, and the focus of today’s conversation, is reforming religion’s antiquated, sexist ideas about sex, gender and our bodies – and all the pain, guilt and shame they provoke — to reclaim our sexuality and boldly begin anew. You see,Nadia Bolz-Weberis no ordinary pastor. Standing six-foot-one, this heavily tattooed former drug addict rocks the collar with bright red lipstick, fancies serious custom-made jewelry (her rings and belt buckles are off the hook) and swears like a sailor. Confusing matters more, she’s also very much a traditionalist – a fearless and deeply reverent pastor for America’s outsiders withintrepid beliefs about what “church” can and should be for the seekers among us. For eleven years, Nadia served as the founding pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints,a colorful and eclectic, all-comers welcome congregation she started in 2007 with just eight members in her living room in Denver. She is also a three-time New York Times bestselling author.Pastrix: The Cranky, Beautiful Faith of a Sinner & Saint,is herprayer-and-profanity laden narrative about an unconventional life of faith.Accidental Saints: Finding God in All the Wrong Peoplerecounts her religious but not-so-spiritual path and perspective. Her newest book,Shameless A Sexual Reformation,unleashes her critical eye, her sharp pen, and her vulnerable but hopeful soul on the caustic, fear-riddled, and religiously inspired messages about sex that have fed our shame. I first laid eyes on Nadia when she took the stage at The Nantucket Projectto interview Lance Armstrong. Her opening line?“So, I see from my notes that you took some drugs you weren’t supposed to and then you lied about it? OMG. I did that shit SO MANY TIMES!” The crowd erupted. Instantly, I was hooked. Later that same weekend I witnessed Nadia deliver a sermon unlike anything I had ever experienced in church or otherwise. Wrapt by her charisma and compelled by her unapologetically honest message, I knew immediately I had to get her on the podcast. Growing up fundamentalist, at 12 she was diagnosed with Graves’ disease,a thyroid-related autoimmune disorder that caused her eyes to literally bug out of their sockets. Socially ostracized,rage and cynicism led a descent into drugs and alcohol. In 1991, a 12-step program ultimately lit her path back to faith — and the church she ultimately founded to create a home for those who have never felt home. Today we explore Nadia’s amazing story, set against the backdrop of her current focus: reforming Christianity’s historically toxic, fear-riddled obsession with sex that has fed our collective shame. Calling for a new reformation, her antidote in this holy resistance is grace, freedom, courage, love and hope. And her aim is to heal not only those who have been hurt but also those who have done the hurting. Courageous, vulnerable and acerbically funny, I adore Nadia andthe message she shares today. Whether you are religious or atheist; spiritual or agnostic, we are all both sinners and saints. And this conversation — a far cry from your typical sermon —...
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