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We are an offshoot of the Above the Law legal blog. But we are focused on the challenges women, people of color, LGBTQIA, and other diverse populations face in the legal industry. Let's be real -- it can suck out there. So we want to create a space where our community can come together share stories, find support and devise strategies. Our name comes from none other than the Notorious Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the jabot (decorative collar) she wears when delivering dissents from the bench. It's a reminder that --even when we aren't winning, we're still a powerful force to be reckoned with.

Latest Episodes

Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

Kathryn speaks with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser of Cohen Milstein about their representation of Alphabet shareholders in a case over the company’s handing of sexual harassment claims that led to a $310 million settlement that’s been hailed as precedent-setting. Episode Resources https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/molly-j-bowen https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/julie-g-reiser Episode Highlights Violations of law - 2:01 The sexual harassment laws - 3:20 An evolving form of litigation - 5:49 Policies and procedures - 7:20 Making compensation decisions - 9:21 What addresses the settlement - 12:55 Hopes of the settlement - 13:46 The flip of mindset - 16:35 An industry typically male-dominated - 25:53 It is inspiring to fight for our clients - 27:32 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 min1 w ago
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Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

Kathryn interviews Arent Fox partner Eva J. Pulliam about the firm's newly launched Center For Racial Equality. They chat about the creation of the Center and what motivated the firm to do so, the firm's role in racial equality, the goals of the Center, and which projects she is initially focused on. Episode Resources Eva Pulliam eva.pulliam@arentfox.com https://www.arentfox.com/attorneys/eva-pulliam Episode Highlights The firm’s motivation about launching a Center for Racial Equality - 0:39 The firm’s work - 4:14 Top priorities of rights - 5:30 Partnering with organizations - 6:00 Hours for strategic planning - 9:08 It feels good to be able to do something - 10:30 The goal is to start something - 14:27 Developing a culture - 15:34 Programs that firms had initiated - 17:55 Biglaw’s role today - 21:14 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minSEP 25
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Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

Kathryn interviews Kalpana Kotagal, partner at Cohen Milstein and co-author of the Hollywood “Inclusion Rider” (made famous by Frances McDormand during her 2018 Oscars acceptance speech). They talk about strategies for diversity in the workplace and race and gender discrimination. Episode Resources kkotagal@cohenmilstein.com https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/kalpana-kotagal#:~:text=Kalpana%20Kotagal%20is%20a%20Partner,Ms. Episode Highlights The night of the Oscars - 1:07 Working behind the scenes for a while - 2:01 Diversifying the profession - 8:07 Access and inclusion issues - 9:42 How to use inclusion writers - 11:08 Increasing litigation in the law space - 27:03 What Big Law is doing about inclusion - 28:51 Pressure points - 29:25 Subscribe, Share, and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

31 minSEP 11
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The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

Kathryn Rubino talks with Jessica S. Henry, author of “SMOKE BUT NO FIRE: Convicting the Innocent of Crimes that Never Happened”, about the prevalence of no-crime convictions, some of the worst examples of no-crime convictions, how racial injustice exacerbates the issue, and finally what can be done, particularly within the current criminal justice reform zeitgeist. Episode Resources Jessica S. Henry: jessicahenryjustice@gmail.com https://www.amazon.com/Smoke-but-No-Fire-Convicting/dp/0520300645 https://jessicahenryjustice.com/ Episode Highlights Jessica’s new book - 0:37 Her background - 1:31 Being a teacher and learning about crime cases - 5:34 Crimes that never happened - 6:18 Being convicted about something that never took place - 8:36 Some of the worst cases about convicted persons with no crime - 10:48 How prosecutors do their job - 15:56 Wrongful convictions - 17:17 What we can do to stop this problem - 18:58 Aggressive police tactics - 19:58 What would help this problem - 22:09 Focusing on this issue - 25:33 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode to subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

27 minAUG 3
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The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

Kathryn talks with Thomasina Real Bird, Angelique EagleWoman, Paulene Abeyta, Christina McDonogh, and Aidan Graybill about the exclusion of Native voices in The Center for Women in Law and The NALP Foundation's study, “Women of Color – A Study of Law Student Experiences”. They discuss the NALP study, then walk through the 4 identified issues with the survey. They also talk about the NALP response to the criticisms and why that isn't a sufficient response. Finally, they discuss the unique issues facing Native American law students and what work is needed to address them. Episode Resources https://www.nalp.org/research Thomasina Real Bird: TRealBird@nativelawgroup.com Angelique EagleWoman: Angelique.EagleWoman@mitchellhamline.edu Paulene Abeyta: nnalsa.president@gmail.com Episode Highlights The guests for today’s episode - 0:46 A Women of Color study - 2:30 Native voices - 5:05 Exclusion of Native Americans from the study - 5:53 Concerns with the study - 6:47 Their feelings about the study - 12:25 Having a wrong reaction - 13:40 Law school students - 16:28 Increasing diversity in the legal profession - 17:51 Trying to increase visibility - 21:02 Working and being inclusive - 24:00 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

28 minJUL 20
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Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

ERA with Linda Coberly

Kathryn Rubino talks with Linda Coberly, Chicago Office Managing Partner for the law firm of Winston & Strawn and Chair of the ERA Coalition’s Legal Task Force, about the ongoing fight for the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment. Episode Resources lcoberly@winston.com https://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/professionals/coberly-linda-t.html https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindacoberly Episode Highlights The adoption of the ERA - 0:47 The right to vote - 2:07 The proposal of the ERA - 4:36 There are protections against discrimination - 5:30 The ERA inside the Constitution - 14:48 Working cases - 22:23 Expectations about a case - 23:23 The Congress and the Department of Justice - 26:40 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

28 minJUL 14
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ERA with Linda Coberly

Diversity and Federal Clerkships with Danielle Barondess and Steven Arango

Kathryn talks with Danielle Barondess (a federal law clerk in Hawaii) and Steven Arango (a federal law clerk in Texas) founders of a new program Law Clerks for Diversity. Law Clerks for Diversity connects diverse candidates with current and former law clerks, practitioners, and judges for mentorship and assistance applying for federal clerkships. Episode Resources https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8945625/ https://twitter.com/clrks4diversity https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellebarondess https://www.stevenarango.com/ Episode Highlights Founding a new program - 0:57 Never giving up - 4:25 Steven and Danielle’s background and story - 5:22 Diversity in the legal world - 6:38 School’s diversity and minority students - 8:26 Types of diversity - 8:49 Why diversity is important - 10:01 Diverse school background - 10:54 Using the program to create more opportunities - 14:14 A barrier for diversification - 17:07 Paying yourself back - 21:58 Why use the program? - 23:51 Law Clerks for Diversity for the legal profession - 26:58 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode to subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 minJUL 2
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Diversity and Federal Clerkships with Danielle Barondess and Steven Arango

Biglaw Pro Bono in the Wake of the George Floyd Protests with Tai-Heng Cheng

Kathryn talks with Tai-Heng Cheng, global co-head of the international arbitration and trade practice at Sidley, about his recent pro bono efforts. He represents journalist Linda Tirado, who was struck in the eye with a rubber bullet while covering the protests following the murder of George Floyd, in her lawsuit against the city of Minneapolis. Episode Resources https://www.sidley.com/en/people/c/cheng-taiheng Episode Highlights Why focus on pro bono - 1:28 The George Floyd demonstrations - 3:02 Being in an inflection point in our society - 3:43 Lawyers must step up now - 4:44 Getting involved in pro bono cases - 5:47 The first pro bono case he did - 8:04 A recent pro bono case - 10:50 The horrific killing of George Floyd - 12:09 A very diverse group - 12:51 Journalism and the George Floyd demonstration - 18:08 The expression of free speech - 21:33 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minJUN 18
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Biglaw Pro Bono in the Wake of the George Floyd Protests with Tai-Heng Cheng

How the Recent Black Lives Matter Protests are Changing Biglaw -- Hopefully for the Better with Lia Dorsey

Kathryn Rubino talks to Lia Dorsey, newly elected President of the Association of Law Firm Diversity Professionals, and Director of Diversity and Inclusion at Dentons, about Biglaw's response to the violent deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery, and to Black Lives Matter. Episode Resources lia.dorsey@dentons.com https://www.dentons.com/en https://www.linkedin.com/in/lia-dorsey-b770511 Episode Highlights A difficult topic - 1:13 Tangible actions behind words - 2:34 Lia’s role and Biglaw’s role - 3:20 All the firms' different statements - 4:25 Lia’s piece of advice for law firms - 7:20 The culture of a firm - 9:13 An opportunity for the firms’ leaders - 10:06 Everybody has a role to play - 11:42 How we can move forward - 14:11 Having access to money and resources - 18:49 Promoting diversity - 19:57 Nobody has the right answer right now - 23:36 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minJUN 12
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How the Recent Black Lives Matter Protests are Changing Biglaw -- Hopefully for the Better with Lia Dorsey

Interview with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP

Kathryn Rubino talks with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP, about balancing home life with a thriving legal practice during the pandemic. They discuss COVID-19's impact on work/life balance, tips for dealing with the health crisis and a flourishing legal practice, what she's learned in becoming the firm's PPP point, and what challenges the legal industry faces as we continue to deal with the ramifications of the pandemic. Episode Resources Connect with Christina Moore cmoore@taylorenglish.com https://www.taylorenglish.com/people-Christina-L-Moore.html Episode Highlights The global pandemic and its challenges - 1:54 How her company challenges the pandemic - 3:53 Teaching kids and balancing remote learning - 4:54 A moment in our lives - 6:34 Getting frustrated - 7:19 How businesses are working today - 10:25 Biggest takeaways from the firm’s PPP point -11:19 The relationship with your bank - 13:07 What’s happening now during the pandemic - 19:14 Aspirations when she graduated from law school - 22:49 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 minMAY 21
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Interview with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP

Latest Episodes

Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

Kathryn speaks with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser of Cohen Milstein about their representation of Alphabet shareholders in a case over the company’s handing of sexual harassment claims that led to a $310 million settlement that’s been hailed as precedent-setting. Episode Resources https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/molly-j-bowen https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/julie-g-reiser Episode Highlights Violations of law - 2:01 The sexual harassment laws - 3:20 An evolving form of litigation - 5:49 Policies and procedures - 7:20 Making compensation decisions - 9:21 What addresses the settlement - 12:55 Hopes of the settlement - 13:46 The flip of mindset - 16:35 An industry typically male-dominated - 25:53 It is inspiring to fight for our clients - 27:32 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 min1 w ago
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Sexual Harassment Settlement That Could Change an Entire Industry with Molly J. Bowen and Julie Goldsmith Reiser

Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

Kathryn interviews Arent Fox partner Eva J. Pulliam about the firm's newly launched Center For Racial Equality. They chat about the creation of the Center and what motivated the firm to do so, the firm's role in racial equality, the goals of the Center, and which projects she is initially focused on. Episode Resources Eva Pulliam eva.pulliam@arentfox.com https://www.arentfox.com/attorneys/eva-pulliam Episode Highlights The firm’s motivation about launching a Center for Racial Equality - 0:39 The firm’s work - 4:14 Top priorities of rights - 5:30 Partnering with organizations - 6:00 Hours for strategic planning - 9:08 It feels good to be able to do something - 10:30 The goal is to start something - 14:27 Developing a culture - 15:34 Programs that firms had initiated - 17:55 Biglaw’s role today - 21:14 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minSEP 25
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Biglaw Firm's Latest Racial Equality Work with Eva J. Pulliam

The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

Kathryn interviews Kalpana Kotagal, partner at Cohen Milstein and co-author of the Hollywood “Inclusion Rider” (made famous by Frances McDormand during her 2018 Oscars acceptance speech). They talk about strategies for diversity in the workplace and race and gender discrimination. Episode Resources kkotagal@cohenmilstein.com https://www.cohenmilstein.com/professional/kalpana-kotagal#:~:text=Kalpana%20Kotagal%20is%20a%20Partner,Ms. Episode Highlights The night of the Oscars - 1:07 Working behind the scenes for a while - 2:01 Diversifying the profession - 8:07 Access and inclusion issues - 9:42 How to use inclusion writers - 11:08 Increasing litigation in the law space - 27:03 What Big Law is doing about inclusion - 28:51 Pressure points - 29:25 Subscribe, Share, and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

31 minSEP 11
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The Lawyer Behind the Hollywood Inclusion Rider and Other Strategies for Workplace Diversity with Kalpana Kotagal

The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

Kathryn Rubino talks with Jessica S. Henry, author of “SMOKE BUT NO FIRE: Convicting the Innocent of Crimes that Never Happened”, about the prevalence of no-crime convictions, some of the worst examples of no-crime convictions, how racial injustice exacerbates the issue, and finally what can be done, particularly within the current criminal justice reform zeitgeist. Episode Resources Jessica S. Henry: jessicahenryjustice@gmail.com https://www.amazon.com/Smoke-but-No-Fire-Convicting/dp/0520300645 https://jessicahenryjustice.com/ Episode Highlights Jessica’s new book - 0:37 Her background - 1:31 Being a teacher and learning about crime cases - 5:34 Crimes that never happened - 6:18 Being convicted about something that never took place - 8:36 Some of the worst cases about convicted persons with no crime - 10:48 How prosecutors do their job - 15:56 Wrongful convictions - 17:17 What we can do to stop this problem - 18:58 Aggressive police tactics - 19:58 What would help this problem - 22:09 Focusing on this issue - 25:33 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode to subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

27 minAUG 3
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The Injustice of Criminal Convictions Without Any Crimes with Jessica S. Henry

Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

Kathryn talks with Thomasina Real Bird, Angelique EagleWoman, Paulene Abeyta, Christina McDonogh, and Aidan Graybill about the exclusion of Native voices in The Center for Women in Law and The NALP Foundation's study, “Women of Color – A Study of Law Student Experiences”. They discuss the NALP study, then walk through the 4 identified issues with the survey. They also talk about the NALP response to the criticisms and why that isn't a sufficient response. Finally, they discuss the unique issues facing Native American law students and what work is needed to address them. Episode Resources https://www.nalp.org/research Thomasina Real Bird: TRealBird@nativelawgroup.com Angelique EagleWoman: Angelique.EagleWoman@mitchellhamline.edu Paulene Abeyta: nnalsa.president@gmail.com Episode Highlights The guests for today’s episode - 0:46 A Women of Color study - 2:30 Native voices - 5:05 Exclusion of Native Americans from the study - 5:53 Concerns with the study - 6:47 Their feelings about the study - 12:25 Having a wrong reaction - 13:40 Law school students - 16:28 Increasing diversity in the legal profession - 17:51 Trying to increase visibility - 21:02 Working and being inclusive - 24:00 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

28 minJUL 20
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Erasure of Native Voices in Law School Experience Study

ERA with Linda Coberly

Kathryn Rubino talks with Linda Coberly, Chicago Office Managing Partner for the law firm of Winston & Strawn and Chair of the ERA Coalition’s Legal Task Force, about the ongoing fight for the adoption of the Equal Rights Amendment. Episode Resources lcoberly@winston.com https://www.winston.com/en/who-we-are/professionals/coberly-linda-t.html https://www.linkedin.com/in/lindacoberly Episode Highlights The adoption of the ERA - 0:47 The right to vote - 2:07 The proposal of the ERA - 4:36 There are protections against discrimination - 5:30 The ERA inside the Constitution - 14:48 Working cases - 22:23 Expectations about a case - 23:23 The Congress and the Department of Justice - 26:40 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

28 minJUL 14
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ERA with Linda Coberly

Diversity and Federal Clerkships with Danielle Barondess and Steven Arango

Kathryn talks with Danielle Barondess (a federal law clerk in Hawaii) and Steven Arango (a federal law clerk in Texas) founders of a new program Law Clerks for Diversity. Law Clerks for Diversity connects diverse candidates with current and former law clerks, practitioners, and judges for mentorship and assistance applying for federal clerkships. Episode Resources https://www.linkedin.com/groups/8945625/ https://twitter.com/clrks4diversity https://www.linkedin.com/in/daniellebarondess https://www.stevenarango.com/ Episode Highlights Founding a new program - 0:57 Never giving up - 4:25 Steven and Danielle’s background and story - 5:22 Diversity in the legal world - 6:38 School’s diversity and minority students - 8:26 Types of diversity - 8:49 Why diversity is important - 10:01 Diverse school background - 10:54 Using the program to create more opportunities - 14:14 A barrier for diversification - 17:07 Paying yourself back - 21:58 Why use the program? - 23:51 Law Clerks for Diversity for the legal profession - 26:58 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode to subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 minJUL 2
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Diversity and Federal Clerkships with Danielle Barondess and Steven Arango

Biglaw Pro Bono in the Wake of the George Floyd Protests with Tai-Heng Cheng

Kathryn talks with Tai-Heng Cheng, global co-head of the international arbitration and trade practice at Sidley, about his recent pro bono efforts. He represents journalist Linda Tirado, who was struck in the eye with a rubber bullet while covering the protests following the murder of George Floyd, in her lawsuit against the city of Minneapolis. Episode Resources https://www.sidley.com/en/people/c/cheng-taiheng Episode Highlights Why focus on pro bono - 1:28 The George Floyd demonstrations - 3:02 Being in an inflection point in our society - 3:43 Lawyers must step up now - 4:44 Getting involved in pro bono cases - 5:47 The first pro bono case he did - 8:04 A recent pro bono case - 10:50 The horrific killing of George Floyd - 12:09 A very diverse group - 12:51 Journalism and the George Floyd demonstration - 18:08 The expression of free speech - 21:33 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minJUN 18
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Biglaw Pro Bono in the Wake of the George Floyd Protests with Tai-Heng Cheng

How the Recent Black Lives Matter Protests are Changing Biglaw -- Hopefully for the Better with Lia Dorsey

Kathryn Rubino talks to Lia Dorsey, newly elected President of the Association of Law Firm Diversity Professionals, and Director of Diversity and Inclusion at Dentons, about Biglaw's response to the violent deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery, and to Black Lives Matter. Episode Resources lia.dorsey@dentons.com https://www.dentons.com/en https://www.linkedin.com/in/lia-dorsey-b770511 Episode Highlights A difficult topic - 1:13 Tangible actions behind words - 2:34 Lia’s role and Biglaw’s role - 3:20 All the firms' different statements - 4:25 Lia’s piece of advice for law firms - 7:20 The culture of a firm - 9:13 An opportunity for the firms’ leaders - 10:06 Everybody has a role to play - 11:42 How we can move forward - 14:11 Having access to money and resources - 18:49 Promoting diversity - 19:57 Nobody has the right answer right now - 23:36 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

24 minJUN 12
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How the Recent Black Lives Matter Protests are Changing Biglaw -- Hopefully for the Better with Lia Dorsey

Interview with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP

Kathryn Rubino talks with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP, about balancing home life with a thriving legal practice during the pandemic. They discuss COVID-19's impact on work/life balance, tips for dealing with the health crisis and a flourishing legal practice, what she's learned in becoming the firm's PPP point, and what challenges the legal industry faces as we continue to deal with the ramifications of the pandemic. Episode Resources Connect with Christina Moore cmoore@taylorenglish.com https://www.taylorenglish.com/people-Christina-L-Moore.html Episode Highlights The global pandemic and its challenges - 1:54 How her company challenges the pandemic - 3:53 Teaching kids and balancing remote learning - 4:54 A moment in our lives - 6:34 Getting frustrated - 7:19 How businesses are working today - 10:25 Biggest takeaways from the firm’s PPP point -11:19 The relationship with your bank - 13:07 What’s happening now during the pandemic - 19:14 Aspirations when she graduated from law school - 22:49 Subscribe, Share and Review To get the next episode subscribe with your favorite podcast player. Subscribe with Apple Podcasts Follow on Spotify Leave a review on Apple Podcasts

29 minMAY 21
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Interview with Christina Moore, partner at Taylor English Duma LLP
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