In 1960 I think the conversation to had was pretty easy, avoid White folks if you could. I don't think that it is that easy in 2019. Improvement in race relations and the nuisance of life make the conversation more difficult. The conversation must start off with talking about the nature of people. This podcast covers the whole of this conversation. I even include a personal story of dealing with overt racism.
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