Out of Order

Out of Order

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Out of Order is a German Marshall Fund podcast about how our world was, is, and will be ordered. From the way the pandemic is shaping geopolitics; to the dark side of tech for democracy; to the political movements, elections and uprisings changing global governance; the podcast brings together international experts from inside and outside of GMF to help us understand our disordered world.In addition to Out of Order episodes, GMF also produces topical mini-series including Post-Pandemic Order and Frontlines of Democracy. All of GMF’s podcast content, along with audio from select special events, can be found in the Out of Order stream. For more information on the German Marshall Fund, visit us at www.gmfus.org
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Rachel Tausendfreund talks to Taiwan’s digital minister, Audrey Tang, about the perils and prospects of tech for democracy. Audrey discusses strategies to combat the infodemic (including “humor over rumor” and public notice) and explains the advantages of Taiwan’s public social media platform PTT, which gave the government early warning for the coronavirus. Audrey outlines the art of troll control how purpose-seeking (as opposed to profit-seeking) social media can work. And because this is part of the Marshall75 collection Rachel and Audrey talk about what investments need to be made to ensure a healthier future of an open, democratic Internet, and which partners need to be on board.

Russia appears ready to invade Ukraine, with the recent deployment of roughly 100,000 Russian troops along their mutual border. In this episode of Transatlantic Takeaway — a monthly collaboration between Common Ground and the German Marshall Fund of the United States — Host Soraya Sarhaddi Nelson and her guests discuss the ongoing crisis and its impact on the EU, the United States and Moscow. Our experts: Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF editorial director in Berlin and host of “Out of Order” podcast; Liana Fix, GMF Resident Fellow and program director for International Affairs at the Körber-Stiftung; Michael Kimmage, GMF Non-Resident Fellow and Catholic University history professor who was part of the U.S. Secretary of State’s planning staff from 2014-2016 advising on Russia and Ukraine.

"Watching China in Europe" is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. In this episode, Noah speaks with Sabine Weyand, Director-General for Trade at the European Commission. Ms. Weyand explains what the EU is doing to respond to China's economic retaliation against Lithuania, discusses prospects for reviving the EU-China investment agreement, as well as the outlook for the EU-US Trade and Technology Council and WTO reform. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah's monthly newsletter at the link below.

Purpose-driven companies go beyond their role of offering a product or service: they pursue positive social and environmental impact alongside profit. Social entrepreneurship is a growing trend and new tools are in need to assess its success across economic, social and sustainability lines. In this podcast, Alessandro Rancati, architect turned designer for policy at the EU Policy Lab, met with GMF program manager Laura Basagni to discuss the creation of the Social Economy Canvas, a new tool to empower the design and development of social economy activities. They also explore the work of the EU Policy Lab and its mission to bring innovation into policy making in times of growing complexity.

Climate change. Health care. Education. Debt. These are just a few of the issues being debated today in the halls of power. The results of these debates will have profound consequences for all of us, but perhaps no group will be more affected than the young. With such a clear stake in the outcome, it might be surprising to learn that as a group, young people are less likely to vote and serve in public offices than older generations. In this podcast, Dr. Christine Huebner of Nottingham Trent University and Scott Warren, co-founder of the preeminent civics education organization Generation Citizen, met with Lauren Burke of GMF Cities to discuss why young people are less engaged in traditional politics, how they are engaging, and the perennial question of whether it is better to effect change from within or force it from the outside. This discussion was inspired by the work of the Cities Fortifying Democracy project. GMF Cities, with the support of Germany’s Federal Foreign Office, is leading a two-year, transatlantic multi-city cohort to explore and advance city practices in strengthening democracy. The project, called Cities Fortifying Democracy, will examine city innovations in governing, voting & elections, public safety & justice, and local journalism.

Watching China in Europe" is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the Europe-China relationship with the people shaping it. In this episode, Noah speaks with Gyde Jensen, a member of the German parliament for the Free Democrats (FDP), who are expected to be part of the next German government. Ms. Jensen talks about the hardening of the FDP’s position on China in recent years, the need for a new German and European approach to Taiwan, and her expectation that the FDP and Greens would work closely together to reshape German policy towards China in the post-Merkel era. New episodes of the "Watching China in Europe" series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah's monthly newsletter at the link below.

"Watching China in Europe" is a recurring series from the Out of Order team. Hosted by Noah Barkin, a senior visiting fellow at GMF and managing editor at Rhodium Group, WCIE digs into the China-Europe relationship with the people shaping it. In this episode, Noah speaks with Maurice Gourdault-Montagne, former French ambassador to China, Germany, the UK and Japan, as well as national security adviser to President Jacques Chirac. Mr. Gourdault-Montagne talks about the “shockwave” that Australia’s submarine deal with the US and UK caused in Paris, French doubts about NATO’s focus on China, and how the German election could affect European policy toward China. New episodes of the "Watching China in Europe" series will be posted to the Out of Order feed every few weeks. For more on China in Europe, subscribe to Noah's monthly newsletter at the link below.

After 16 years in power, the Christian Democrats without Angela Merkel have reaped historically bad results in Sunday’s election. All the votes have been tallied and the Social Democrats have come out on top, but with only 25.7% of the vote they will need to get both the Greens and the Liberals on board for a coalition. But other coalition options are also in play, including the “Jamaica” coalition that would return the Christian Democrats to the Chancellery. Rachel Tausendfreund, GMF’s editorial director based in Berlin talks Germany’s election results, future coalition possibilities, and the implications for the “traffic light” or the “Jamaica” coalition for European and transatlantic priorities with Markus Ziener, GMF’s Helmut Schmidt Fellow, and Peter Sparding, GMF fellow and resident Germany expert.

Just ahead of the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks the United States and its allies have completed their chaotic and ignominious withdrawal from Afghanistan. What does the failure of the nearly 20-year state-building mission mean for the future of transatlantic security cooperation and the debate about European strategic autonomy – and how will instability in Afghanistan affect the EU and Turkey? This and more is covered in this transatlantic take episode of Out of Order. The episode is hosted by Rachel Tausendfreund, editorial director at the German Marshall Fund, based out of Berlin; it features Alexandra de Hoop Scheffer, director of research, transatlantic security, and director of GMF's Paris office; Michal Baranowski, director of GMF's Warsaw office; Jonathan D. Katz, senior fellow and director, democracy initiatives, based in Washington D.C.; and Ozgur Unluhisarcikli, director of GMF's Ankara office.

Welcome back to Out of Order, a German Marshall Fund podcast. This season, we will continue to bring you in-depth discussions on pressing foreign policy issues that our organization works on daily. Our hosts will include GMF experts in discussion with global thought leaders with new constellations of experts and hosts for each episode. For our first episode this season, we are featuring a discussion led by Dr. Kristi Govella, Senior Fellow and Deputy Director of the Asia Program at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. In recent years, the world’s attention has shifted toward the Indo-Pacific. As concerns over the rise of China and other regional challenges have intensified, the US and Japan have taken steps to strengthen their security cooperation and Europe has also become more engaged, begging the question of how the three sides might work together on security issues. What factors are driving Europe’s recent involvement in the Indo-Pacific? Does Europe have a role to play in the Biden Administration’s Indo-Pacific strategy, or would it be better for European countries to focus their efforts on security issues closer to home? Will a change of leadership in Japan affect its prospects for cooperation with the US and Europe? What are the most promising issue areas for trilateral cooperation and coordination, and what challenges lie ahead? In this episode, host Dr. Kristi Govella discusses these questions with Dr. Zack Cooper and Dr. Garima Mohan. Dr. Cooper is a Senior Fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and Co-Director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy at GMF. Dr. Garima Mohan is a Fellow in GMF’s Asia Program.

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