In this supersided episode of His and His, Paul interviews Matthew about the decade he and his family spent trapped in a religious cult. From boyhood until his early twenties, Matthew belonged to a fanatical group called the Advanced Training Institute. Founded by the charismatic and often eccentric leader, Bill Gothard, ATI eventually accumulated thousands of devoted followers around the world. In the first half, Matthew describes how he and his family fell into the cult and the many ways in which it took over their lives. In the second half, Matthew describes leaving the isolated world of the cult and adjusting to the “real world” for the first time. What excited him? What scared him? And most importantly, how did he grow? Listen to the extended version of this episode here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/66177894