Dean is the OG of ultra marathon running and the epitome of someone who has had the time, breadth of adventure and ability to intellectualise the running experience. Dean is the reason that many people know what an ultramarathon is and the instigator for many people to give one a try. TIME magazine named him one of the "Top 100 Most Influential People in the World." Men's Fitness hailed him as one of the fittest men on the planet. Stan Lee, of Marvel Comics fame, called him, "A real superhuman." An acclaimed endurance athlete and NY Times bestselling author, Dean Karnazes has pushed his body and mind to inconceivable limits. This conversation highlights his humility, deep refection, self awareness and empathy. We discuss the effect on covid-19 to the running community - for race organisers; runners and outdoor brands: the bad, good and hopeful. Dean generously shares his fears and the disappointment in not being able to see his family in Greece and Australia. We explore - •how "run...