A conversation with David Sloss, Professor of Law at the University of Santa Clara, about his new book, "Tyrants on Twitter: Protecting Democracies from Information Warfare." We discuss the recent history Russian and Chinese exploitation of social media, and explore the strategic and geopolitical implications of allowing these countries engage in this "warfare by other means" to undermine democracies around the world. We examine David's law and policy proposal for how democracies might combat this form of information warfare, which includes an international agreement among democratic states to ban Russian and Chinese state agents from social media platforms, and debate some of the likely objections to his argument - including its implicit rejection of broader and more universal international law solutions and its inherent double standard, whether it distracts from several larger threats to democracy posed by social media platforms, the risk of securitizing an essentially non-military problem, and some of the more technical challenges to its implementation. A fascinating discussion! For more info and links to materials referred to, visit our website: https://jibjabpodcast.com