Back in March 2018 Iranian-born Kaveh Akbar launched his debut collection Calling a Wolf a Wolf with us at the bookshop. He joined us again in digital form, for his second, Pilgrim Bell (Chatto), a rich and moving collection which explores issues of ambivalence around ethnicity, national identity and religious belief. He read a selection from his work, and discussed it with Seán Hewitt, fellow poet and author of Tongues of Fireand forthcoming memoir All Down Darkness Wide (Cape). See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.