Carolina and Devin are joined by New York Times Bestselling author Ann Leary (some relation) to discuss her new novel THE FOUNDLING (out now in stores and online)! They reminisce on the years when women either got institutionalized in asylums for having PMS (free socks!) or lived without rights as wards of their fathers and husbands. On the topic of bad husbands - the women then jump into a discussion of the true crime phenomenon THE STAIRCASE. Alert: STAIRCASE SPOILERS AHEAD! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.