In a recorded phone call between friends, Kelly and author, Melody Godfred, dive into a range of topics from overwhelm, defeat, the messiness of self love, finding uniqueness and authenticity and even The Kardashians. Kelly tells Melody why she has struggled in her own journey with self love:"I've left myself so many times after the moment I 'decided' I wanted to love myself." Melody explains that she is "embracing the fact that I am a complex person. The more we try to control, the more our ego feels safe, but our authentic self is the exact opposite." They also discuss the ways that they are finding feelings of safetyin the current climate and in a culture that just simply does not feel save. Pre-order Melody's new book 'The Shift' here:The Shift Socials:@melodygodfred See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.