Dr. JonathanBalcombe and Lee discussthe role of an ethologist in studying animal behavior, how he came to be interested in the subject, and his work examining the thought processes of several different animal species. Dr. Balcombe revealsthe scientific evidence demonstrating that animals that we have believed for millennia are of a ‘lower order’ actually have rich inner lives that in many ways are not much different from those of human beings. These species include fish, which are the subject of Dr. Balcombe’s latest book, What a Fish Knows.Jonathan Balcombe is an ethologist and author. He currently serves as Director of Animal Sentience with the Humane Society Institute for Science and Policyand Department Chair for Animal Studies with Humane Society University, in Washington, DC. He lectures internationally on animal behavior and human-animal relations.