Little do most people know that water appears to have remarkable properties that your middle school science textbooks told you nothing about, including memory and a “fourth phase”. This appears to have deep implications for medicine and biology. Gerald Pollack maintains an active laboratory at the University of Washington in Seattle and is the author of Muscles and Molecules,Cells, Gels and the Engines of LifeandThe Fourth Phase of Water. We discuss a mere scandalous run-in with Nature Magazine that resulted in the demise of a certain researcher’s career.Links:https://www.pollacklab.org/The Fourth Phase of Waterbook on Amazon See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.